Dave Winer on men and women
August 3rd, 2006
Dave Winer writes an interesting piece, at least partly inspired by his involvement at the recent BlogHer event, which touches on some of the issues surrounding the misunderstandings men and women have about each other.
I would like in particular to briefly follow on from a point Dave makes while describing himself: I’m 75 percent gentleman and 25 percent Neanderthal.
This resonated with me, because I can relate to that. As Dave didn’t offer a deep explanation of exactly what he meant, I’m going to assume that how I identified with that statement is what Dave meant. It may not be what he meant, but that doesn’t really matter.
I can relate to that because I think I’m a well-behaved, curious, intelligent guy who enjoys few things better than a good conversation with good company (this is the gentleman part). However, I love watching football, drinking beer and not having to care who I offend with my farting and belching (this is the Neanderthal part). Obviously, the paralells can, and do, run much deeper than these examples.
I think that most guys I know are pretty similar to this. What I find interesting is that I think that most women like men who are this way. I know many people might find this ridiculous, but when I look at some of the most happily married people I know, the man is never some super hero find of guy - he is often just a regular guy like me. And this dynamic isn’t just confined to marriage - it happens everywhere I see productive relationships between men and women.
There are a few possible reasons for this, such as men and women actually enjoy the differences in each other (at least some of them), and that there are practical advantages in a man being a Gentleman/Neanderthal.
Perhaps where problems arise between men and women is that the expectation of which type of behaviour is going to present itself is often wrong. It is wrong because something like this cannot be easily predicted, even by men. I think that what happens is that the ‘Gentleman’ and ‘Neanderthal’ don’t always present themselves when women want them to.
That isn’t to say that men can’t try to please the women in their lives, but as humans beings, thinking about people other than ourselves doesn’t always come easily to any of us. Ultimately, I think men and women have far more in common with each other than popular thought admits. But the differences are what make men and women better together, and also what causes the friction. Unsolvable? Probably…thoughts welcome.
No, I think you are 75% cave man, 20% man, and 5% gentle. Give or take a few percent on that last one.
No, it is true that there is not many things in which men and women are completely dichotomous. And the with-in gender diference is usually more varied than the between-gender difference. And then there is the within person differences - that is how we act in different situations, environments, in different interactions with different people, and then, in turn, how we act can be intepreted differently by different people at different times in different environments.
How postmodern.
Abbey
I agree with what you say above, bar the first sentence. I’m at absolute most only 50% caveman!
Abbey….when did you get so bloody smart!
I’ve just re-read this post, with Abbey’s comments because Sarah’s just posted a comment.
Abbey’s comments on in-person differences really struck me this time as being on the money. It’s something I’ve been thinking about lately, specifically how I act/react quite differently to similar stimuli in different environments.
For example, I act/react very differently to situations when playing basketball compared to rehearsing with the band. Another example is how I act/react to things when playing cards as opposed to playing trivial pursuit.
This might not make much sense to anyone else, but it kinda makes sense to me.
Yes, Sarah, Abbey is uber-smart.